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💭 Why does no one talk about these 2 giant no-code app builders?
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Bryce Vernon
https://brycevernon.com/giant-low-code-no-code-app-builders/
Probably because not so many people use them (if they're tailored towards enterprises, it means they have a few really big clients). Just my 2 cents.
Yeah, I wonder just how many clients they are working with. Certainly growing.
They are targeted towards big enterprises and mostly considered lowcode solutions.
"Starting from $1,917" @ 50 concurrent users.
What gets me is that Wordpress and Elementor Pro + Advanced Custom Fields is a no-code setup that is solid, been around for a while, and provides so many flexibilities yet no one is interested. I tried bubble and I have to say that the 'programming' side of it is nice but getting it to look decent is such a process. I mean with WP and a couple of plugins you basically have a pretty site (buy a theme) and total control and plugins galore to help out. Bubble IMO is so meh that I don't get the hype, outside of the VCs and podcasters that are pumping these few brands because they got some heavy chunk of change.
Totally agree that Wordpress (+elementor/Divi)doesn’t get enough credit (I still use WP btw).
The logic/workflows built into Bubble make it pretty impressive.
Can you share the link to the Gartner report mentioned in your article?
Thanks
You could add tons of tools that don't get the attention Bubble and Webflow get usually because they don't have a big community around them.
Appgyver, boundless, ninox to name a few.
Yeah - should be hyperlinked in there but here it is 👍🏻
https://www.gartner.com/en/documents/3970067/the-future-of-apps-must-include-citizen-development
They are enterprise level tools, I think their package starts at like 4K/month as an annual subscription. If their product catered more towards consumer level, maybe it buzz more through the community. OutSystems and Mendix are well known tools if you know about no code/low code.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Good provocation.
I had not heard about these 2. I'm gonna taken for a spin.
I think Bubble, Webflow (Glide, Adalo, etc.) take all the attention in the market because of their consumer focus. Outsystem and Mendix clearly target enterprises.
I just signed up for Outsystems and the first thing it does is ask me to download the app. I normally work on a Chromebook so that's a speed bump for me. Also, I can't find the pricing anywhere easily. I'm guessing it will be more than I'm willing to pay.
Are they integrating with Zapier at the moment? Why is this top of mind for you at the moment?
OMG Run! Outsystem is installing Wine + .NET
(to be clear, I was installing it on a macOS device)
I’m just fascinated about how separate enterprise vs all the other tools are. I’m eager to learn what enterprise tools are doing that perhaps the others are not. What makes them capable of charging more? What additional value do they offer?
Great post @BryceV
I know Outsystems but never see Mendix before.
I think they position themselves as low-code platform not no-code. That's why no-code community isn't familiar with them.
Yeah, I think "no-code" isn't a term that would resonate with enterprise.
But I could be wrong. Looks like Google's embracing it (albeit via AppSheet): https://cloud.google.com/solutions/business-application-platform
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Thanks for your comment. I'm not sure what you mean. I don't want to be "invasive" - let me know if you can share more!
Your WP template has some JS that intercepts mouse scroll events and hijacks those to produce a non native behavior.